Forget everything you thought you knew about Fishing

[Nightshade]

That is something I wouldn't have thought of, but it does make sense. I didn't think that the choice of rods affected what fish you could get, only the difficulty of reeling them in.

Would be curious to see the results that you've pulled from the game when you get a chance.

And, off topic, but welcome back.

[GoldenPower89]

The only difference I've noticed in the rods is the size of the fish.

[meth962]

That is something I wouldn't have thought of, but it does make sense. I didn't think that the choice of rods affected what fish you could get, only the difficulty of reeling them in.

Would be curious to see the results that you've pulled from the game when you get a chance.

And, off topic, but welcome back.

Aw, didn't think I'd be missed

I'm hoping I still have that all layed out nicely in a document somewhere so I don't have to go refollow assembly language to figure it out again

Another note is the "Good!" indicator indeed helps your chances of catching better fish. It affects the RNG on which fish you catch, and I _thought_ it was the only way to catch the Barbara or such. I'll have to look again though.

[meth962]

Okay, I was wrong, you were right ^_^ Found my old notes and I wrote down nothing about fishing rods changing what you catch, only lures.

I made a spiffy ascii table to easily see what the tables translate to.

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.------.
| Buma |
o------------------------------------------------------------.
|       |  184/256 |  48/256  |  16/256  |  8/256   | Chance |
|-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+--------o
|Heavy  | Charger  | Flypie   | Lippian  | Devourer |
|Normal | HCharger | Jack     | HCharger | HCharger |
|Light  | HCharger | HCharger | Jack     | Jack     |
o---------------------------------------------------o
| Lure  |
o-------o

.-------.
| Vidna |
o------------------------------------------------------------.
|       |  23/32   |   6/32   |   2/32   |   1/32   | Chance |
|------------------------------------------------------------o
|Heavy  | Flypie   | Flypie   | Charger  | Octoban  |
|Normal | HCharger | Flypie   | Spikefish| Flypie   |
|Light  | Jack     | Jack     | Flypie   | Jack     |
o---------------------------------------------------o
| Lure  |
o-------o

[Nightshade]

I'm curious about two thinks in the table that you have linked.

First, in the Vidna table, there's no entry for Baraba, yet I know from my own personal experience that they do exist in-game (unlike the Spirit, which may exist in-code but likely doesn't in-game). Maybe the chance is just that much lower than 1/32, but it should be there, at least in theory.

Secondly, it has been theorized (though without extensive and rigorous testing), that fishing in such a way as to get the "Good" to appear on screen, does improve the quality of what fish are obtained. How does that factor in to the table?

[Sephirothansylar]

I have like 4 screenshots or so of different Baraba I can attest that they exist however I'm almost positive they can't be caught with the old rod and I would assume the deluxe either. I think I fished for my 100k(50k my bad) with heavy lure/old rod with the trick that nets rare fish for almost pure Octobans and I never caught 1 Baraba. I can catch a Baraba with the Legendary in about 15-30 mins with the rare fish trick so unless someone can prove otherwise pretty sure only legendary(maybe deluxe) rod can catch Barabas.

I assume the Old rod catches on average small fish, Deluxe- medium and legendary- large. I just got the deluxe rod like 30 minutes ago so I might go back to Vidna and do some testing on it since I never really use it.

Update: I went and fished for about 10k points with the deluxe rod and even though that doesn't prove you can't catch a Baraba with a deluxe I'm extremely skeptical and don't feel like this requires any further testing. Even if you could catch a Baraba on your line it would probably be impossible to reel in anyways considering how hard it is with the legendary rod. I changed my rare fish trick the other way and caught 10 Octobans in a row. Go right x left square and if you get a good on your left square it's an extremely high chance that a fish bites right then and almost guaranteed rare fish.

2nd Update: also meth do you have any idea or can look into what determines the fish size? I've fished up 50k+ points and paid attention the whole time for what I didn't get- an Extra large fish. I don't remember extra large fish being so rare and going that long without catching one seems ridiculous to me. Also that stupid flypie in the rare on normal lure sucks..that's why the rare fish trick usually nets flypies with that but now the rare fish trick makes perfect sense.

[meth962]

I'll have to look at the size thing later, but I just discovered it might be possible. Looking back at the tables, they did have another row (like where the barbara was missing). Plugging that into my old crappy notes, I came up with this:

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.------.
| Buma |
o---------------------------------------------------------------.
| Buma  |  184/256 |  48/256  |  16/256  |  8/256   | Chance    |
|-------+----------+----------+----------+----------+-----------o
|Heavy  | Charger  | Flypie   | Lippian  | Devourer | Spikefish |
|Normal | HCharger | Jack     | HCharger | HCharger | Spirit    |
|Light  | HCharger | HCharger | Jack     | Jack     | Spikefish |
o---------------------------------------------------------------o
| Lure  |
o-------o

.-------.
| Vidna |
o---------------------------------------------------------------.
| Vidna |  23/32   |   6/32   |   2/32   |   1/32   | Chance    |
|---------------------------------------------------------------o
|Heavy  | Flypie   | Flypie   | Charger  | Octoban  | Barbara   |
|Normal | HCharger | Flypie   | Spikefish| Flypie   | Spikefish |
|Light  | Jack     | Jack     | Flypie   | Jack     | Spikefish |
o---------------------------------------------------------------o
| Lure  |
o-------o

So the last column seems to be the rare times when you catch a fish with the "Good!" status. And as you can see, Spirit is only obtainable by using the Normal lure and not the Heavy. Maybe that's why it's elusive? I don't have time to try it out but that's what the memory/assembly looks like it's saying.

[Sephirothansylar]

Ooo I might actually go fish for that Spirit but I still have doubts it exists in game...would be insane if it did though. If It's possible to catch one and I somehow pull it off I'll obviously upload the screenshot ;D.

Edit!!!!: Grats Meth your info helped in the founding of the Spirit Fish!! I caught one!!2!! One legit, and one with save states in this Youtube video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Y0PAaxXmE

[Nightshade]

I think I have figured something out from that table. When you are not in "Good", the game draws fish from the first 4 columns in ratios consistent with your table.

But when you do get "Good" to show up, it seems to draw fish from the last three columns only. I'm hesitant to speculate on the exact ratios, but something like: 16/32 | 15/32 | 1/32 doesn't sound too far off the mark.

It would explain why I am getting exclusively Jacks when I fish at Buma with the Light Lure. It's also consistent with the numbers of Chargers and Octobans I get when hunting for the Baraba.

[meth962]

Woohoo! How long did it take you to catch after my message? I was literally running out the door when I looked in the assembly code and memory and saw that it SHOULD be possible to catch with a Normal lure. I got a chill down my spine thinking it's possible...! But I couldn't confirm, so I posted on here as quick as I could and ran out the door haha. Glad to see it was true!! I was a little skeptical that I didn't follow the assembly code 100% through.

Yes, I can confirm that the "Good!" status does let you catch that last row. However, I didn't take enough notes on the assembly steps so I would have to follow it all again to find out. But all I wrote down was that on "Good!" status, it adds 40 to a "catch %" variable. Then I dismissed that and looked later in assembly so I likely missed where it adds to the RNG for catching which tier of fish.

Basically it is this: one variable is set to 00, 01, 02, or 03 by RNG, which looks up the fish in the column of the table above. I believe the "Good!" status simply just adds a 1 to this variable, making it possible to hit that last column with the value 04. So you would be 100% correct about the "Good!" status looking at the last 4 columns, great assessment You didn't even need to look at code

野菜! I am busy this week and won't be home at all. I want to play more with this and check the sizing thing for you all. And this weekend I will be off the grid, camping, and scuba diving. No time for putzing around with legaia