Personality Types

[Redhollowlives999]

Are you implying I have no personality with that copy/paste of yours?

[Zup]

No. Just showin that emotions are part of em, not just a result or w/e garbage you said.

[Redhollowlives999]

I don't believe in your source.


I don't believe you exist.

Because you're too stupid to insult.



Emotions are fine w.e blah blah. They're just horribly overused in today's time.

Emotions aren't meant to just be released, they need proper control. You're not suppose to be happy all the time and you're not suppose to be sad all the time.

Save it for when it's really needed. Emotions aren't just drugs you can overdose.

[Zup]

My source is Wikipedia.

Everyone knows Wikipedia is the best.

They're just horribly overused in today's time.

This makes no sense.

In what way are they "horribly overused?"

Emotions aren't meant to just be released, they need proper control.

No durr. But from the sound of it, you seem to be saying that you have your emotions totally under control and almost nobody else does. That's completely stupid.

You're not suppose to be happy all the time and you're not suppose to be sad all the time.

Nobody is. They may express happiness/sadness/anger/fear/whatever a majority of the time, but that doesn't mean they're using their emotions wrong. It could very well just be part of their personality. Or the desired image they wish to express.

Save it for when it's really needed. Emotions aren't just drugs you can overdose.

There is no "saving emotions for when they're really needed." They're a natural part of being human. They're experiences in your brain.

I'm guessing you're saying people whine too much or are too peppy or let emotions get in the way of logic or whatever. First of all, that's a generalization that you can't prove or disprove and you're using it to fuel your argument. That doesn't make your argument untouchable/correct. If anything, it makes your argument weak because you're relying on an opposition that doesn't exist.

Second, having your emotions under control does not mean you hardly ever express them or anything like that. It's natural to cry when you're upset by something. It's natural to smile and laugh when something makes you happy. It's natural to grit your teeth and clench your fist when somebody pisses you off. Really they're only not under control when you're expressing an emotion that doesn't match the stimuli or the circumstances or you let them consume you so much that they affect your actions and end up as a detriment to something/someone.

Lastly, blegh.

[Redhollowlives999]

I know your source is Wikipedia. I've read that page like... a bunch of times. (I think.)

That all seems natural because that's the norm defined by society. They way I see it, Emotions are more meant to be used as a natural defense mechanism rather than something you do because "MJ burned my jacket and now I cry." >____>

That's not a form of defense, that's just unnecessary feeling. Get over it and buy another one that you'll take better care of or shut up.

Emotions are too used now a days and because of it, it clouds judgement and logical thinking. The reason people do stupid things like tattoo their tongues or agree to to go Mars in a suicide mission. I believe you people call it "heat of the moment".

Why crimes of passion happen. Why people want to kill other people. Why meaningless hatred occurs. Because people don't know how to control their feelers.

A more logical time to use emotions is when, say, someone is in need of help mental wise and desperately require a good dosage of Empathy or motivating words. Or when you need a boost in strength or will (determination, eagerness, sheer joy, etc). That's when emotions are required. Not because someone died and now I must cry over it. It happened. You can't do anything about that. Don't waste precious time crying and mourning over something as meaningless as death.

My personality has developed through observation, thought, and opinions. Emotions played a nice role in opinions and preferences, seeing how it's a big part of it no matter how you look at it.

Call me pathetic or close minded all you want:

Unnecessary Happiness == A lame form of Instant Gratification.

The way happiness should be used:
As a method to congratulate yourself over a victory, or after hard work. As a way to tell your tired muscles and mind "good work, it was worth it."

Unnecessary Sadness == Society's fault.

Way sadness should be used:
This could go anywhere. It can either be used as a form of joy or a way to withstand pain, depending on the context of the sentence. For example:

Listening to Ailee's Rainy Days during a really rainy day. The sad tone of the song stimulates a sort of joy. It makes you sort of want to cry with a smile; a cry of satisfactions.

Crying (which I do consider a form of sadness) when you're in pain is also very appropriate. Along with a loud scream. It helps relieve pain. After a bit of crying, you might get over it way faster. But you're still a punk for crying.

Anger == N/A

... I really can't give you an answer for this one... I've been researching it for years. It's the only emotion I have problems keeping under control- regardless of this fact it's still doable. But anger is a very dangerous emotion. I like to keep it locked up until I need an extra boost in combat. But I certainly don't let it all out; that's suicide and most likely homicide due to the amount I have yeah that's right government, you read that right.

Seriously, this emotion is powerful. It's the easiest to fall into. Even now I feel some form of crave for it. Like I always want to be angry and only angry. But that's 何だよこれ！ and I refuse to fall to such a weak status.


Cockiness == Also Instant Gratification

Completely meaningless. Personally I use it to provide a cover for what I'm actually thinking. But this isn't a required feeling. There is no such thing as being better than anyone else. Someone always has an edge. Every story always has some truth to it. There's a truth to every lie.



Basically alot of emotions are a form of instant gratification. People drink because it makes them happy/helps them forget the bad. How many drunks do you see with a full fledged frown on their face? They're either happy or angry because they enjoy those raw emotions. People who do bad things based off rage that I have met rarely regret things until their rage has completely been sucked out of them, through say, jail or therapy.


Controlled emotions is what can allow for the best success. Emotions cloud judgement way too easily.

You've given an example yourself...


"I felt bad@$$ when I was winning that fight... Then dude pulled a knife out... Then I was terrified."

Reactional/Reflexive emotions are the most annoying things ever- why I had to get rid of those first. WAAAAAAY too dangerous to just leave around. You could have easily gotten seriously wounded if didn't collect yourself fast enough.

And in the end you still got cut. If you had maintained that confidence and released that worry of "oh crap, I could die" you could have probably left that fight unharmed; you could have even avoided that fight in the first place. Or is that just me?
















Buttface.

[Zup]

I know your source is Wikipedia. I've read that page like... a bunch of times. (I think.)

So have I. And others. I've been studying emotions for a long time for a thingy thing.

That all seems natural because that's the norm defined by society.

No. While society definitely has a part in deciding what "normal" emotional reactions are, those societal standards themselves are based on what humans have actually gone through and displayed. the the the the, the entire reason that society has those standards is because that's what has been observed for centuries and is universally recognized as normal.

They way I see it, Emotions are more meant to be used as a natural defense mechanism rather than something you do because "MJ burned my jacket and now I cry." >____>

Yes, that's part of their function. But it isn't the only thing, mainly because humans, on average (where we live anyway) don't have to use emotions as a natural defense in such drastic ways. But they've still been hardwired into us. People have different degrees of emotional responses and all that jazz. A lot has to do with the makeup and functioning of their brains, another chunk is through conditioning and learning and experiencing and growing. Just because you don't cry about things you deem to be poor reasons to cry doesn't make you better than anyone else.

Get over it and buy another one that you'll take better care of or shut up.

the the the the's with this? It's all relative. What if there's a man who's been impoverished his whole life, has been tortured, all this horrible crap that can happen and is eventually emotionally hardened. He sees you upset because you get annoyed by what other people do and judge them.

It's different responses for everyone because emotions are complex and highly variable. It's just like tastes and opinions and beliefs and all that other stuff.

Emotions are too used now a days and because of it, it clouds judgement and logical thinking. The reason people do stupid things like tattoo their tongues or agree to to go Mars in a suicide mission. I believe you people call it "heat of the moment".

1) Just because you don't see the logic/appeal of someone's choices doesn't mean they're being illogical and you're being intelligent and completely right-minded. There are plenty of things about you that people would say is illogical. Your religious beliefs is one major one that tends to be challenged. Your cynicism/criticism of generalizations of humanity. The fact that you like k-pop but aren't a fan of Vietnamese folk music. When you decide to be bored when you have limitless opportunities and an infinite world around you.

2) Try not to use that "you people" sort of view in an argument like this. Mostly because it shows that separation again, and also because it's generalized and it's also pinning the opposition and your generalized views of it on me.

3) Are you really gonna tell me that you don't do anything in "the heat of the moment?" Are you gonna tell me that everything you do is logical, completely well-thought-out, and you are never affected by your emotions? What about the times when you're angry or annoyed or happy whenever you make a decision? Those are all emotions and emotion-based. Are you gonna tell me that most people/everyone else lets emotions cloud their judgment, but you never let them cloud yours?

Why crimes of passion happen. Why people want to kill other people. Why meaningless hatred occurs. Because people don't know how to control their feelers.

Crimes of passion are not fully based on emotion. They're also based on thought processes in general and relationships with other people. Sometimes these killers will think as logically as they can about murders.

But strong emotions are also what fuel people to help one another. To make sacrifices for a greater cause. To pursue a better future for themselves and their families and others. Why they want to learn and to improve and to love.

A more logical time to use emotions is when, say, someone is in need of help mental wise and desperately require a good dosage of Empathy or motivating words. Or when you need a boost in strength or will (determination, eagerness, sheer joy, etc). That's when emotions are required. Not because someone died and now I must cry over it. It happened. You can't do anything about that. Don't waste precious time crying and mourning over something as meaningless as death.

Emotions are not inherently tools. They are experiences and reactions to certain stimuli. Yes, you can control them. But often times, when it's something like the death of a loved one or immense pain or the best 野菜 news someone's ever heard, they get lost in it. Not because they're weak or pathetic or have no control. It could be because they didn't see it coming. A lot of times, it's because they want to do it.

Like your death example. It's completely natural for someone to cry over the death of someone. They've formed emotional attachments to them, they've lived life with them, etc. Whatever their relation is.

It isn't a "waste of time" to mourn over death. It's natural and it's encouraged, because it's part of the cycle of grief. You might not cry when a loved one dies. That's fine. That's you. That's not everyone else. There's nothing wrong with either side.

And death is not meaningless to everyone either. I'm guessing you believe in an afterlife. Fine. That's a good enough reason to not care as much about death. But plenty of people don't. Plenty of people who do believe in the afterlife still cry. It's fine.

Why don't you stop "wasting precious time" by doing anything that isn't vital to survival?

My personality has developed through observation, thought, and opinions. Emotions played a nice role in opinions and preferences, seeing how it's a big part of it no matter how you look at it.

Emotions are integral to personality because it's a reaction and an experience in your brain, which is the source of your ability to even have a personality.

Call me pathetic or close minded all you want:

Unnecessary Happiness == A lame form of Instant Gratification.

And what exactly is "unnecessary happiness?"

And instant gratification isn't inherently bad either.

The way happiness should be used:
As a method to congratulate yourself over a victory, or after hard work. As a way to tell your tired muscles and mind "good work, it was worth it."

Or what about hearing of others' success? What about seeing somebody pull through a life-or-death situation? What about seeing a recovery from an illness or nature growing even after a harsh disaster or a stranger's act of kindness to another stranger or a good outcome when a bad one was expected or seeing somebody smile?

Unnecessary Sadness == Society's fault.

No. Stop blaming this generalized society of yours. If you're so in control, then why don't you accept the fact that the only thing stopping you at anything is yourself?

Way sadness should be used:
This could go anywhere. It can either be used as a form of joy or a way to withstand pain, depending on the context of the sentence. For example:

Listening to Ailee's Rainy Days during a really rainy day. The sad tone of the song stimulates a sort of joy. It makes you sort of want to cry with a smile; a cry of satisfactions.

Crying (which I do consider a form of sadness) when you're in pain is also very appropriate. Along with a loud scream. It helps relieve pain. After a bit of crying, you might get over it way faster. But you're still a punk for crying.

And what about the death of someone?

Anger == N/A

... I really can't give you an answer for this one... I've been researching it for years. It's the only emotion I have problems keeping under control- regardless of this fact it's still doable. But anger is a very dangerous emotion. I like to keep it locked up until I need an extra boost in combat. But I certainly don't let it all out; that's suicide and most likely homicide due to the amount I have yeah that's right government, you read that right.

Anger is just like the other emotions - reaction to stimuli. It's mostly defensive-offensive for safety measures. In simple terms anyway.

You can use it just fine. Letting out an angry yell or punching something has been shown to relieve stress or irritation and fairly quickly at that. It can provide motivation and strength, yes. Sure, it can be used for horrible things, but pretty much anything can.

Seriously, this emotion is powerful. It's the easiest to fall into. Even now I feel some form of crave for it. Like I always want to be angry and only angry. But that's 何だよこれ！ and I refuse to fall to such a weak status.

All emotions are powerful.

Cockiness == Also Instant Gratification

Completely meaningless. Personally I use it to provide a cover for what I'm actually thinking. But this isn't a required feeling. There is no such thing as being better than anyone else. Someone always has an edge. Every story always has some truth to it. There's a truth to every lie.

Then stop being elitist about your personal philosophies.

But there is still a time and place for cockiness. It's confidence at a fundamental level. It's used to provide a moral boost. Self-esteem boost. Motivation. It can give you pride and make you (and possibly others) happy.

The negative connotation with it is that you sound like a tool who think's they're all that. Sure.

Basically alot of emotions are a form of instant gratification. People drink because it makes them happy/helps them forget the bad.

Yeah, it can be therapeutic. It could also be because they like the taste or it's a typical social standard or because they're celebrating and capitalizing on their pride and happiness.

How many drunks do you see with a full fledged frown on their face? They're either happy or angry because they enjoy those raw emotions. People who do bad things based off rage that I have met rarely regret things until their rage has completely been sucked out of them, through say, jail or therapy.

There are plenty of instances of drunks being upset. It's another effect of alcohol. Can bring out what they're feeling inside and wanna express but haven't.

Controlled emotions is what can allow for the best success. Emotions cloud judgement way too easily.

Yes. And a vast majority of people do in fact have their emotions under control. You can tell because a vast majority of people don't run into the streets squealing and skipping and singing pop songs. You can tell because a vast majority of people don't run into the streets breaking strangers' noses and throwing rocks into car windows.

You've given an example yourself...


"I felt bad@$$ when I was winning that fight... Then dude pulled a knife out... Then I was terrified."


Reactional/Reflexive emotions are the most annoying things ever- why I had to get rid of those first. WAAAAAAY too dangerous to just leave around. You could have easily gotten seriously wounded if didn't collect yourself fast enough.

Reflexive emotions are not inherently good or bad either. In fact, they're really doing exactly what emotions are meant to do - give humans a signal as to what's happening, what the brain is picking up on, and what the the the the the they should do next.

And the reason I was able to collect myself fast enough in the first place is because of those emotions. It alerted me. Made me aware of what was going on. Gave me an instinctive reaction. And it worked.

And in the end you still got cut. If you had maintained that confidence and released that worry of "oh crap, I could die" you could have probably left that fight unharmed; you could have even avoided that fight in the first place. Or is that just me?

That "oh crap, I could die" thing is the main reason I only ended up with a cut.

The main reason I got cut in the first place is because I'm a snotty dweeb who isn't well-equipped for fighting and watches too many kung fu movies. I was even worse off then.

Buttface.

Stupid head.

[Redhollowlives999]

So have I. And others. I've been studying emotions for a long time for a thingy thing.

K den.

No. While society definitely has a part in deciding what "normal" emotional reactions are, those societal standards themselves are based on what humans have actually gone through and displayed. the the the the, the entire reason that society has those standards is because that's what has been observed for centuries and is universally recognized as normal.

You just basically said what I was trying to said. Society gave that final stamp and called it norm. In TODAY'S time, Society has full control. Before, the term norm was rather shaky and undefined.

Yes, that's part of their function. But it isn't the only thing, mainly because humans, on average (where we live anyway) don't have to use emotions as a natural defense in such drastic ways. But they've still been hardwired into us.

It's how you believe they work. Mostly because, as you said, where we live, that's how they work. The system is different where ever you go.

The problem is still the same.

People have different degrees of emotional responses and all that jazz. A lot has to do with the makeup and functioning of their brains, another chunk is through conditioning and learning and experiencing and growing.

ORLY.
I see you studied that Wiki well.
Can you name to me where in the brain exactly they believe these occur? Since I'm assuming these "Chunks" must have names.

Just because you don't cry about things you deem to be poor reasons to cry doesn't make you better than anyone else.

I never said it does- you did. If I didn't say it directly, I didn't say it. Don't take the sound of my voice as a hint; you'll be thrown off.

Crying over death is dumb.

It's all relative.

ORLY.

What if there's a man who's been impoverished his whole life, has been tortured, all this horrible crap that can happen and is eventually emotionally hardened. He sees you upset because you get annoyed by what other people do and judge them.

He can cry about it.

I'm not upset. Just stating my opinion on the matter. Just because my opinion isn't "good" or "positive" doesn't mean it's meant to degrade or demoralize and ish.

Chilllllaaaax.

It's different responses for everyone because emotions are complex and highly variable. It's just like tastes and opinions and beliefs and all that other stuff.

ORLY.

Stop stating the obvious; that's all common knowledge.

1) Just because you don't see the logic/appeal of someone's choices doesn't mean they're being illogical and you're being intelligent and completely right-minded.

Nuh uh.

Duh, I will never fully understand other's reasons for doing things. I can try though. And I don't like what I've discovered thus far. I've met some really arrogant people in my day. >______>

"He punched me, so I have to rob him of his ability to have children with a kick."

Stupid Justinian (?) and his an eye for an eye. GO GANDHI!

There are plenty of things about you that people would say is illogical.

Everyday, yes.

Even I do it to myself.

Your religious beliefs is one major one that tends to be challenged.

Everyday, yes.

Your cynicism/criticism of generalizations of humanity.

Everyday, yes. I'm gonna be 100% honest; to this day I have no idea what anyone means when they say I generalize.

The fact that you like k-pop but aren't a fan of Vietnamese folk music.

I haven't heard it yet.
Now I feel compelled to look it up.

When you decide to be bored when you have limitless opportunities and an infinite world around you.

This world is complete crap. I'd rather let it burn and continue on my way.

2) Try not to use that "you people" sort of view in an argument like this. Mostly because it shows that separation again, and also because it's generalized and it's also pinning the opposition and your generalized views of it on me.

When I saw "you people" I mean the whole world.

I don't know if you've noticed, but I don't really like the world. It's crowded.

And even if you don't agree with what I view as "the general group" either, you're still defending it. Either stand and fight for your kingdom or die with another's.

3) Are you really gonna tell me that you don't do anything in "the heat of the moment?"

Last time it happened was about a year or 2 ago. It was anger. Always freaking anger.

People I consider irrational just bug me to no end.

Are you gonna tell me that everything you do is logical, completely well-thought-out, and you are never affected by your emotions?

That is my goal, yes.

There are times where I fail, but that's like... 5% of the time?

Best I can manage right now. Number actually went up because of Sooyoung and that mystery chick.

What about the times when you're angry or annoyed or happy whenever you make a decision?

... Why would I be happy/angry/annoyed about a decision?

Those are all emotions and emotion-based. Are you gonna tell me that most people/everyone else lets emotions cloud their judgment, but you never let them cloud yours?

It's possible to still feel something and think logically. It's just feeling makes it harder, thus it hinders growth and movement.

Annoyed is a trait I have a hard time shaking off, so points to you regardless.

Sometimes these killers will think as logically as they can about murders.

>___>
If it's thought out then it's Oriented Murder, which gets you put in jail longer.

But strong emotions are also what fuel people to help one another. To make sacrifices for a greater cause. To pursue a better future for themselves and their families and others. Why they want to learn and to improve and to love.

Lame.

Emotions are not inherently tools.

Yuh huh!

They are experiences and reactions to certain stimuli. Yes, you can control them. But often times, when it's something like the death of a loved one or immense pain or the best 野菜 news someone's ever heard, they get lost in it. Not because they're weak or pathetic or have no control. It could be because they didn't see it coming. A lot of times, it's because they want to do it.

It's their fault for not seeing it.

You need to be prepare for everything.

Like your death example. It's completely natural for someone to cry over the death of someone.

According to society, yes.

They've formed emotional attachments to them, they've lived life with them, etc. Whatever their relation is.

So that's a reason to cry over it? Tears won't bring them back.

People are dying even as you're reading this; you're not cry for them. No point in crying over something that's natural and bound to happen.

Wouldn't be surprised if I died right now. And I wouldn't be surprised if the world didn't give 2 craps.

And everyone I consider allies should know by now is that if they cry due to my death, I would have scolded them.

It isn't a "waste of time" to mourn over death. It's natural and it's encouraged, because it's part of the cycle of grief.

Which isn't necessary- it's optional. Thus not important enough to deal with.

You might not cry when a loved one dies. That's fine. That's you. That's not everyone else. There's nothing wrong with either side.

It slows their progress. I'm not helping anyone catch up (and they shouldn't help me either). Animals don't cry at the death's of their pack mates or whatever. And personally, I like animals over humans, if not exactly the same.

And death is not meaningless to everyone either. I'm guessing you believe in an afterlife.

I do, but not my reason to why I see death so lightly.

Fine.

Fine.

That's a good enough reason to not care as much about death. But plenty of people don't. Plenty of people who do believe in the afterlife still cry. It's fine.

Again, not my reason why- and I don't care about those others.

They can cry all they want. It will never change anything. That person will still stay dead and all that makeup will run for no reason.

Why don't you stop "wasting precious time" by doing anything that isn't vital to survival?

Because I'm dumb.

Because to me that's how I'm using it to the fullest. Cry about it.

And I already know how you will respond. So lemme just say a head of time "I don't care that to others they feel like they're using their time to the fullest potential. I don't see it and that's how I feel." I don't respect alot of general opinions and oh well shaddup cry more.

Emotions are integral to personality because it's a reaction and an experience in your brain, which is the source of your ability to even have a personality.

Reflex-Emotions are what hold people back. They're dumb and situations can be dealt with much better without them.

And what exactly is "unnecessary happiness?"

Basically when they are always happy or positive for no real reason. (Optimists. >___>)

And instant gratification isn't inherently bad either.

Not essentially, but seeing how I blame it for everything wrong with this world, I beg to differ.

Yes this is what I truly hate most. Instant Gratification. It can't be avoided most of the time, but for the other times, it can and should be avoided.

the the the the, even a life time to me is short. Extremely short.

I can already see death around the corner... spilling my uncooked rice.

Or what about hearing of others' success?

They can pat themselves on the back. You can give them a "good job" or whatever if you think they deserve it, but otherwise meh.

What about seeing somebody pull through a life-or-death situation? What about seeing a recovery from an illness or nature growing even after a harsh disaster or a stranger's act of kindness to another stranger or a good outcome when a bad one was expected or seeing somebody smile?

"Good job" and walk along.

There will be hundreds of other battles. No point in staring at 1 victory for too long.

No. Stop blaming this generalized society of yours. If you're so in control, then why don't you accept the fact that the only thing stopping you at anything is yourself?

Who says I haven't already calculated for that?
Also because there's really nothing to go for in this dump we call Earth.

I might just live in the woods with a dog or myself or a child and woman or something. Human civilization sucks.

And what about the death of someone?

Not really worth being sad about.

Anger is just like the other emotions - reaction to stimuli. It's mostly defensive-offensive for safety measures. In simple terms anyway.

Mines is more offensive than defensive...

That's basically when Anger should be used. >___>
That situation doesn't happen as much as it does with most people. Words shouldn't hurt anyone at all. Now a punch to the gut should.

You can use it just fine. Letting out an angry yell or punching something has been shown to relieve stress or irritation and fairly quickly at that. It can provide motivation and strength, yes. Sure, it can be used for horrible things, but pretty much anything can.

Contain and Destroy>>>>>Releasing.

You definitely don't want to get use to releasing it.

All emotions are powerful.

False; it varies per person. And not fit the damage anger can do. Sadness won't help me rip someone's face apart. But it can however fuel anger.

Most emotions that lead into fist fights are due to said emotion feeding anger.

Then stop being elitist about your personal philosophies.

I am what you see me as.

I don't care what you see me as. My opinion stands strong.

But there is still a time and place for cockiness. It's confidence at a fundamental level. It's used to provide a moral boost. Self-esteem boost. Motivation. It can give you pride and make you (and possibly others) happy.

...
You clearly did not understand what I said and have been saying until now.

You keep calling me "elitist." Did you ever stop to think for a second why I come across that way to you? Did you ever stop for ANOTHER second to thing of another reason?

Did you ever think it's a mask that I could be wearing to not reveal the whole story?

The negative connotation with it is that you sound like a tool who think's they're all that. Sure.

Wuht. <____>

Yeah, it can be therapeutic.

Is it always used that way? >_____>

It could also be because they like the taste or it's a typical social standard or because they're celebrating and capitalizing on their pride and happiness.

Thank you for the answer.

All those standards could be met without having to go in said direction.
Instead they choose to add a dis-service to the factor.

It disgusts me. Cry about.

There are plenty of instances of drunks being upset. It's another effect of alcohol. Can bring out what they're feeling inside and wanna express but haven't.

Basically angry.
They're usually raw and simple emotions. Happy, Anger, Sad, etc.

Yes. And a vast majority of people do in fact have their emotions under control.

Clearly you and I have different definitions of the term control.

You can tell because a vast majority of people don't run into the streets squealing and skipping and singing pop songs.

Yup. Completely different definitions.

You can tell because a vast majority of people don't run into the streets breaking strangers' noses and throwing rocks into car windows.

That's Society's definition of "Not under control."

MY definition is basically what people do everyday. Those others are just people who REALLY took it too far, and lost all control.

Regardless, the good of the bad is still bad. A little control is still limited control. Limited control might as well be no control.

Reflexive emotions are not inherently good or bad either. In fact, they're really doing exactly what emotions are meant to do - give humans a signal as to what's happening, what the brain is picking up on, and what the the the the the they should do next.

AKA instincts. Which are also dumb.

Logic can also do all that and more. >___>

What happens when you do said "next" action? You basically run outta juice until something else lights up a new flame. Logic has everything prepared- from the very best route to the very worst.

And the reason I was able to collect myself fast enough in the first place is because of those emotions. It alerted me. Made me aware of what was going on. Gave me an instinctive reaction. And it worked.

It's logic that jump started that emotion. You know in your mind "knife is bad". That caused fear. Fear told your mind to get ready. Logic>>>Emotion>>>Mind>>>Body

Just skip the bloody middle man and go straight to:
Logic>>>Mind>>>Body

That "oh crap, I could die" thing is the main reason I only ended up with a cut.

A cut is still too much. If you can see the attack happen, you can dodge it. No point in standing there watching yourself get hurt.

The main reason I got cut in the first place is because I'm a snotty dweeb who isn't well-equipped for fighting and watches too many kung fu movies. I was even worse off then.

Don't forget unintelligent and unattractive.

Stupid head.

Dork.

[Zup]

I'ma gonna chop it down cuz this ish is gettin too big (that's what yo mama said).

You just basically said what I was trying to said. Society gave that final stamp and called it norm. In TODAY'S time, Society has full control. Before, the term norm was rather shaky and undefined.

No. I did not say society gave the final stamp. I said society has those standards because of observations and experience over time. Society does not have full control. It doesn't have any control. Influence? Sure. The vast majority of the population following it? Yeah. But not full control.

Everyday, yes. I'm gonna be 100% honest; to this day I have no idea what anyone means when they say I generalize.

It means you take something you've noticed (whether often or not), and attributing it to more of something than you have actually witnessed. It's like if you happen to come across two old men in your life, maybe decades apart, who both said they like cheese on their sandals, and then you said that most people/most old people/most dudes/whatever like cheese on their sandals.

And even if you don't agree with what I view as "the general group" either, you're still defending it. Either stand and fight for your kingdom or die with another's.

But the argument becomes personal and it shifts direction when you do this. It's a similar concept to the generalization - you're attributing features of one party to a broader party that's affiliated with but never seen expressing that feature.

I'm not defending the worth of emotions from a personal standpoint like I would defend islanders and SONEs and stuff along those lines.

So that's a reason to cry over it? Tears won't bring them back.

So why don't you ever stop complaining about things? Why don't you stop saying you're irritated about what other people do? Complaining and criticizing won't change humanity.

People are dying even as you're reading this; you're not cry for them. No point in crying over something that's natural and bound to happen.

Because the personal bond has not been established. That's the difference.

But you'd be wrong if you said I didn't care. I do care. Not enough, I suppose, but it does bother me. A lot.

It slows their progress. I'm not helping anyone catch up (and they shouldn't help me either).

It isn't a race, you're not winning, and how you deal with a death does not inherently have anything to do with your success/progress/whatever.

They can cry all they want. It will never change anything. That person will still stay dead and all that makeup will run for no reason.

And you can complain all you want. And critique all you want. And reiterate your personal philosophies all you want. It's not changing the way humans deal with grief.

It's the same line of thinking as your previous "I can state my opinion, I have the right to." They can grief how they want, they have the right to.

There will be hundreds of other battles. No point in staring at 1 victory for too long.

Aaaaaaand this is where you're starting to drift from the initial argument and start making it a personal superiority boost.

Calling adversities or whatever you're referring to as battles. Naming things as victories and trucking on. All of that is fine. But not everybody sees life like that.

False; it varies per person. And not fit the damage anger can do. Sadness won't help me rip someone's face apart. But it can however fuel anger.

No, they're all powerful because they can invoke reactions and action. Sadness might not help you rip someone's face apart, but that's not it's purpose, that's not the reaction it invokes, and that is not the only type of display of power in emotions.

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You clearly did not understand what I said and have been saying until now.

Then explain it so that I do.

You keep calling me "elitist." Did you ever stop to think for a second why I come across that way to you? Did you ever stop for ANOTHER second to thing of another reason?

Did you ever think it's a mask that I could be wearing to not reveal the whole story?

Yes, actually. I realize I'm not big on the whole thinking of every little detail and angle thing, but yes, I have truly considered that.

All those standards could be met without having to go in said direction.

You could say that about 野菜 near every direction.

Clearly you and I have different definitions of the term control.

Yes. I mean control. Not mastery or perfection or whatever serious term and viewpoint you wanna use.

MY definition is basically what people do everyday.

This is that generalization thing again.

AKA instincts. Which are also dumb.

Instincts are not dumb.

Yours might be because they're probably garbage.

It's logic that jump started that emotion. You know in your mind "knife is bad". That caused fear. Fear told your mind to get ready. Logic>>>Emotion>>>Mind>>>Body

Yes to the first. No to the second.

They only work in tandem. the the the the's a purely logical human being gonna do? A human being who only does things logically and without emotion? Don't tell me they'll never have problems and they'll solve everything and create utopia and never have conflict. They'd die.

They're built to work together to make the best outcome possible because that's how it works.

Logic can only tell you the knife is bad through past experiences. Like you know what a knife is, how it can harm you, etc. Fine. But logic alone can't do anything. You can deduce ways you can counter. Sure. But a human body (with no training like the average human) who logically knows to avoid a knife doesn't just immediately dodge the knife and win the fight and suppress the opponent and all that.

Emotions in reactionary responses trigger your brain to do something. Logic itself is like deductive reasoning. It doesn't trigger anything in you. It doesn't make you aware of the critical dangers because the brain would not care without emotions.

A cut is still too much. If you can see the attack happen, you can dodge it. No point in standing there watching yourself get hurt.

1) It wasn't bad. I got over it.

2) No you cannot. You see a guy across the street draw a gun. Can you dodge that bullet? Maybe. It is veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery unlikely that you're going to. Same with a weapon you don't expect and blah blah blah. I understand it was me being a little dweeb who doesn't know how to act like the precise warrior that you are. My bad.

3) I didn't stand there and watch. I jogged in place.

Don't forget unintelligent and unattractive.

Right. My bad. Also:

- Unworthy of Taeyeon
- Unworthy of love
- Unworthy of respect
- Unworthy of acknowledgement
- An idealist who does nothing
- A stupid head

Dork.

JCTC prototype.

[K73SK]

ok so I'm not going to read all of what you guys just said... But if you want a book that can tell you what happiness really is, I suggest reading this:

http://www.amazon.com/Being-Your-Happin ... ontentment

If you want legitimate debates about what personality really is, then study some psychology... It'll tell you what it is.

[Redhollowlives999]

This whole thread and argument is based off us clashing our knowledge of psychology...


Just because we ain't in college doesn't mean we don't have a proper understanding of the subject; it's too awesome to do only in school.


And this whole thing is about the fact that I don't agree with what's defined today as "personality".

Science is a relatively changing thing and never gives one a definitive answer; the definition of personality can change 20 years from now for all we know.


And Zup try wiki sources instead of just the wiki. >___>