Speed: Turn Order and Escapes

[meth962]

That, or I just read what you said literally three posts above.

Well, bad example to bring it up, but you've done it many times before from different threads. So I thought, you have a good memory, take notes, or are looking up past threads haha.

[K73SK]

That, or I just read what you said literally three posts above.

I had read that too but didn't take it as a conclusion considering I was there was some code in there that said "if enemy count < x, duplicate" or something like that.

I'm a little worried he's gonna start making multiplying enemies now...

Sasquach used Divide!

Brilliant idea!!! I didn't even think about that!!!

[Nightshade]

Darn you, G-Pow! My unending rage upon you! And K73SK too!

[GoldenPower89]

Hey, at least we'll get more EXP. Anyway, we're getting a bit off topic here.

Meth, did you try out Chicken Safe? I actually forgot that item existed until it was mentioned earlier in the thread.

[meth962]

I have not tried it yet. I'm sure it just changes their AI since they don't actually need to compare speed to run away.

[Nightshade]

I thought I would ask a couple of questions about this for speedrunning purposes:

1) Do dead party members also contribute toward the party's escape "value", if you will?

2) How does the game determine how many enemies, if any, get to attack before the party can (attempt to) escape?

[meth962]

I thought I would ask a couple of questions about this for speedrunning purposes:

1) Do dead party members also contribute toward the party's escape "value", if you will?

From my notes, I only wrote that dead enemies still contribute to the escape value so I'm not 100% sure if the same is for the party. I'd have to check.

2) How does the game determine how many enemies, if any, get to attack before the party can (attempt to) escape?

Hrm, I thought the standard speed/turn order rules apply. If one of your characters gets a turn, then the escape is triggered. I'd also have to check on that.

[Nightshade]

I was wondering if you could post the full complicated formula the game uses to roll for escape success rate; it would be a boon if I knew exactly what it did so I can tweak the speedrun route to account in such a way to maximize escape probability.

[meth962]

The quick explanation from the guide:
"- Escaping -
The game keeps track of how many times you escape, so be aware! Your escape
chance is a comparison of the sum of your party's speed, and the sum of the
enemies' speed. The health of your party and enemies affect the chances too:

1. Damaged players/enemies add more value to the speed roll. The more hurt you
are, the better your chances.
2. Full life players/enemies only add their speed stat.
3. Dead enemies actually contribute to the chances (and a lot since their hp
is at 0). This means its harder to run away from enemies if there are 1 or
2 dead.
4. The Chicken Heart accessory adds 50% to your runaway odds and Chicken King
guarantees an escape unless a boss or event battle."

And formula below:

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// Sum up party's speed values, adding more if injured
(speed += speed*2)/2 + (max-hp * 16)

if char_flag 0x100000 set 1 to r16 // 50% boost, this is chickenguard
if char flag 0x800000 set 1 to r17
    if map_flag is not 0 add 2 to r17 // 100%, if not a boss. This is chickenking

// enemies
(max-hp) * 32 + speed

r18 = party
r19 = enemies

r18 += rng%r18 // add rng
r19 += rng%r19 // add rng

if r16 != 0 add r18/2 to r18 // This is the 50% boost flagged from earlier (chickenguard)

if flag_enemy == 0 // This is a boss flag or 'no escape' flag
  if r17 != 0 set r18 = r19 // Game sets these equal so that the following condition always fails

if r18 < r19 // then escape!

I shortened up the first line and summarized it because the steps to do that are like 15 lines long. Also all hardcoded multiplying was just bit-shifting so I normalized it to make it easier to read for those not familiar with bit-shift operations