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Item Drops & Steals

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:31 pm
by meth962
Didn't someone have the v-jump stats on every droppable & stealable item in the game? I can't find the info anywhere. Also, did it happen to include drop or steal chance, or even what Bronze Book actually does?

If not, that will be my new mission! I will try looking through the game code and finding all of it. However, I already failed my first attempt last night before bed. Spent about 30 mins and didn't get anywhere. But maybe because I'm using the game's debug mode to fight battles, or the info I got online was wrong.

<< Technical battle follows >>
But seemed pretty simple enough to look in the memory and search for the item an enemy could drop. Then load a different enemy and search for that item. Should point right to where it stores the item to drop in memory, but no! Not consistent.

So giving up on that, I instead put a breakpoint for when the game reads the Accessory slots (for Bronze book), but alas it didn't. It only reads it AFTER a battle, so it must preset some flags for Bronze book before a battle even starts.

Then I thought I found that flag, but it wasn't being read either. So I gave up for the night.

Re: Item Drops & Steals

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:04 pm
by Lonewulf
Me and a couple of others have the V-Jump guide but I can't even begin to translate it. I don't sprekken ze language. I don't know if any one else on here has tried yet.

Re: Item Drops & Steals

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:59 pm
by K73SK
I've read a little through it, but haven't completely translated it all or anything. Was going to put all that info on the site in the future, but never did get to it lol. And now I'm too lazy to walk into the other room and look for it ;P

Re: Item Drops & Steals

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:35 pm
by meth962
Ah, where did you guys buy it? I'd be interested in purchasing a copy too.

Also, behold!! I have found the Steal Drop Table and the steal % chance! It may be a little bit before I get it into a nice format but I have it saved in raw hex format right now.

I will have to test some of it, it's based off what looks like to be the # of enemy in the debug menu...

00 Gobu gobu
01 Evil Fly
etc...

However, the 00 one is wrong, so I think Gobu might be elsewhere because it has

00 FF

where 00 = 0% steal
and FF = Item ID (Platinum Card)

Also saw one more entry after the supposed last enemy, a 1% steal of Miracle Water.

Be back soon! :)

Re: Item Drops & Steals

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:37 pm
by Nightshade
I remember being able to steal Miracle Water from Jette's clone; I wonder if that may be related?

Re: Item Drops & Steals

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:45 pm
by Lonewulf
Nice, hopefully you'll get it all figured out and put together. I got my V-Jump guides (I have 2) from Ebay about a year ago.

Re: Item Drops & Steals

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:53 pm
by Sephirothansylar
Jette's clone only has Wisdom waters to be stolen, unless you can steal more than one thing from them, I think his clones have a chance of dropping miracle water at the end of the battle, but pretty sure you can only get 1. (I tried to get beefed up before fighting him a long time ago to steal 99 Miracle waters since several guides say you can steal miracle from his clones, but I was so sad when I got wisdom waters instead.) Oh also you can steal a miracle water from the original if you are lucky if I'm not mistaken.

I use the Legaia Shrine item drop list which seems to be quite accurate however, doesn't list Evil Fly or Comm and also doesn't have steal %chance. http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/psx/legaia/nonseru.shtml

Re: Item Drops & Steals

Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:44 pm
by meth962
Hrmm well I just tried it and it looks like you only get wisdom waters.

Jette's id is 170, and so is his clone. So when the game lookups steal info, it is the same as Jette's:

Wisdom Water, 30%

Also, I think I can rest assured now. The debug faq says Battle 00 is Gobux4, which is right, however it still loads in Gobu Gobu's with ID of 4. So I'm going to trust the game is in order and dump out the steal chart, maybe quick before bed here.

Oh, and I found out that 1% steal Miracle water was Koru. Someone did mention that the Debug faq doesn't have it, but battle 182 is Koru. :)

Another weird one, battles 183-186 are all Absolute Fortress versions of Cort, but with their own Identity. Anything between 187-200 crashes the game. So someone making the game copied and pasted too many times XD Since they have their own IDs, they DO have weird entries in the lookup table...

Cort #183 - 0% chance to steal nothing
Cort #184 - 3% chance to steal Meta Lv5
Cort #185 - 6% chance to steal Meta Lv8
Cort #186 - 9% chance to steal Meta Lv4
???? #187 - 6% chance to steal Meta Lv7
???? #188 - 9% chance to steal Tera Lv1
???? #189 - 3% chance to steal Meta Lv5
???? #190 - 6% chance to steal Meta Lv8
???? #191 - 9% chance to steal nothing
up to #200 - 0% to steal nothing

Seeing as how 187 and up crash the game, it looks like they just copied some pattern of junk in haha.

Seriously, and yes it works. Took me a number of tries, but here's Noa stealing Meta Lv4 from Cort (whom just passed under the floor, sorry you can't see)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0mqb188ckma0k ... 20Meta.png

Re: Item Drops & Steals

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:39 am
by meth962
Okay steal table is done!

Format:
EnemyNumber....EnemyName.....ItemToSteal.....StealChance

0.....???.....Platinum Card.....0%
1.....Evil Fly.....Antidote.....30%
2.....Death Wings.....Medicine.....25%
3.....Demon Fly.....Golden Compass.....20%
4.....Gobu Gobu.....Healing Flower.....30%
5.....Gomboo.....Healing Fruit.....30%
6.....High Gomboo.....Healing Berry.....30%
7.....Green Slime.....Healing Leaf.....30%
8.....Oak Slime.....Healing Flower.....30%
9.....Acid Slime.....Silver Compass.....20%
10.....Fire Seru Gimard.....Healing Leaf.....30%
11.....Fire Seru Gimard level 2.....Healing Berry.....30%
12.....Fire Seru Gimard level 3.....Magic Fruit.....30%
13.....Skeleton.....Incense.....30%
14.....Skull Knight.....Incense.....30%
15.....Dead Bone.....Incense.....30%
16.....Drake Ghost.....Power Elixir.....30%
17.....Guardian.....Shield Elixir.....30%
18.....Ghost Knight.....Speed Elixir.....30%
19.....Red Piura.....Healing Leaf.....30%
20.....Black Piura.....Healing Flower.....30%
21.....Blue Piura.....Good Luck Bell.....20%
22.....Mushroom.....Healing Shroom.....30%
23.....Mushrin.....Healing Shroom.....30%
24.....Mush Mush.....Healing Shroom.....30%
25.....Thunder Seru Theeder.....Magic Leaf.....30%
26.....Thunder Seru Theeder level 2..... Magic Leaf.....30%
27.....Thunder Seru Theeder level 3.....Magic Fruit.....30%
28.....Light Seru Vera.....Healing Leaf.....30%
29.....Light Seru Vera level 2.....Healing Flower.....30%
30.....Light Seru Vera level 3.....Healing Berry.....30%
31.....Lippian.....Lippian Flute.....30%
32.....Lip Kid.....Lippian Flute.....30%
33.....Lip King.....Lippian Flute.....30%
34.....Worm.....Antidote.....30%
35.....Poisonous Worm.....Medicine.....30%
36.....Moldy Worm.....Phoenix.....30%
37.....Ostrich.....Healing Leaf.....30%
38.....the the the the's Trigger.....Healing Flower.....30%
39.....Death Trigger.....Healing Berry.....30%
40.....Wolf.....Healing Leaf.....30%
41.....Killer Wolf.....Healing Flower.....30%
42.....Speed Wolf.....Healing Berry.....30%
43.....Frog.....Antidote.....30%
44.....Gel Frog.....Medicine.....30%
45.....King Frog.....Phoenix.....30%
46.....Pump Bat.....Healing Leaf.....30%
47.....Devil Pump.....Magic Leaf.....30%
48.....Boogie Pump.....Magic Fruit.....30%
49.....Dark Seru Nighto.....Healing Leaf.....30%
50.....Dark Seru Nighto level 2.....Magic Leaf.....30%
51.....Dark Seru Nighto level 3.....Magic Fruit.....30%
52.....Twin Bomb.....Healing Leaf.....30%
53.....Mad Mantis.....Healing Flower.....30%
54.....High Mantis.....Healing Fruit.....30%
55.....Water Seru Gizam.....Healing Leaf.....30%
56.....Water Seru Gizam level 2.....Magic Leaf.....30%
57.....Water Seru Gizam level 3.....Magic Fruit.....30%
58.....Killer Bison.....Healing Leaf.....30%
59.....Neo Bison.....Healing Flower.....30%
60.....Gold Bison.....Healing Berry.....30%
61.....Hornet.....Antidote.....30%
62.....Killer Bee.....Medicine.....30%
63.....Queen Bee.....Phoenix.....30%
64.....Fire Seru Zenoir.....Healing Leaf.....30%
65.....Fire Seru Zenoir level 2.....Healing Flower.....30%
66.....Fire Seru Zenoir level 3.....Healing Berry.....30%
67.....Kabuki Rat.....Healing Leaf.....30%
68.....the the the the's Rat.....Healing Flower.....30%
69.....Giant Rat.....Healing Berry.....30%
70.....Spikefish.....Spikefish Flute.....30%
71.....Mad Bird.....Spikefish Flute.....30%
72.....Wailing Bird.....Spikefish Flute.....30%
73.....Caruban.....Wonder Elixir.....30%
74.....Thunder Seru Viguro.....Wonder Elixir.....30%
75.....Zeto.....Wonder Elixir.....30%
76.....Songi.....Wonder Elixir.....30%
77.....Berserker.....Wonder Elixir.....30%
78.....Comm.....Wonder Elixir.....30%
79.....Tetsu.....Wonder Elixir.....30%
80.....Light Seru Aluru.....Healing Fruit.....30%
81.....Light Seru Aluru level 2.....Magic Leaf.....30%
82.....Light Seru Aluru level 3.....Magic Fruit.....30%
83.....Light Seru Orb.....Healing Flower.....30%
84.....Light Seru Orb level 2.....Healing Bloom.....30%
85.....Light Seru Orb Level 3.....Healing Fruit.....30%
86.....Wind Seru Swordie.....Healing Flower.....30%
87.....Wind Seru Swordie level 2.....Healing Bloom.....30%
88.....Wind Seru Swordie level 3.....Healing Fruit.....30%
89.....Mage.....Magic Leaf.....30%
90.....Sorcerer.....Magic Fruit.....30%
91.....Thermo.....Wisdom Water.....5%
92.....Water Seru Freed.....Healing Fruit.....30%
93.....Water Seru Freed level 2.....Magic Leaf.....30%
94.....Water Seru Freed level 3.....Magic Fruit.....30%
95.....Wind Seru Nova.....Healing Leaf.....30%
96.....Wind Seru Nova level 2.....Healing Flower.....30%
97.....Wind Seru Nova Level 3.....Healing Fruit.....30%
98.....Fire Seru Gola Gola.....Healing Fruit.....30%
99.....Fire Seru Gola Gola level 2.....Magic Leaf.....30%
100.....Fire Seru Gola Gola level 3.....Magic Fruit.....30%
101.....Earth Seru Mushura.....Healing Flower.....30%
102.....Earth Seru Mushura level 2.....Healing Fruit.....30%
103.....Earth Seru Mushura level 3.....Healing Berry.....30%
104.....Grude.....Fury Boost.....30%
105.....Neo Grude.....Fury Boost.....30%
106.....Heavy Grude.....Fury Boost.....30%
107.....Ogre.....Healing Bloom.....30%
108.....Mad Ogre.....Healing Fruit.....30%
109.....Dark Ogre.....Healing Berry.....30%
110.....Amethyst.....Magic Leaf.....30%
111.....Garnet.....Magic Fruit.....30%
112.....Topaz.....Wisdom Water.....5%
113.....Warman.....Door of Light.....30%
114.....Warhalf.....Door of Wind.....30%
115.....Warfish.....Incense.....30%
116.....Curry Devil.....Magic Fruit.....30%
117.....Verial.....Phoenix.....30%
118.....Lucifer.....Magic Water.....5%
119.....Evil Shadow..... Magic Leaf.....30%
120.....Shade.....Magic Fruit.....30%
121.....Nightmare.....Door of Wind.....30%
122.....Stone Lizard.....Power Water.....5%
123.....Rock Lizard.....Guardian Water.....5%
124.....Scale Lizard.....Swift Water.....5%
125.....Gold Face.....Power Water.....5%
126.....Lava Face.....Guardian Water.....5%
127.....Terror Face.....Swift Water.....5%
128.....Golem.....Life Water.....5%
129.....Iornman.....Life Water.....5%
130.....Mad Golem.....Magic Water.....5%
131.....Medusa.....Wisdom Water.....5%
132.....Nurga.....Wisdom Water.....5%
133.....Lamia.....Magic Water.....5%
134.....Thunder Seru Viguro level 2.....Healing Fruit.....30%
135.....Thunder Seru Viguro level 3.....Healing Berry.....30%
136.....Songi.....Wonder Elixir.....30%
137.....Van Saryu.....Wonder Elixir.....30%
138.....Dohati.....Wonder Elixir.....30%
139.....Xain.....Wonder Elixir.....30%
140.....Evil Bat.....Wonder Elixir.....30%
141.....Wind Seru Barra.....Life Water.....5%
142.....Wind Seru Barra level 2.....Power Water.....5%
143.....Wind Seru Barra level 3.....Guardian Water.....5%
144.....Earth Seru Kemaro.....Swift Water.....5%
145.....Earth Seru Kemaro level 2.....Wisdom Water.....5%
146.....Earth Seru Kemaro level 3.....Spirit Talisman.....5%
147.....Light Seru Spoon.....Magic Water.....5%
148.....Light Seru Spoon level 2.....Life Water.....5%
149.....Light Seru Spoon level 3.....Life Grail.....1%
150.....Water Seru Slippery.....Power Water.....5%
151.....Water Seru Slippery level 2.....Guardian Water.....5%
152.....Water Seru Slippery level 3.....Magic Grail.....1%
153.....Earth Seru Iota.....Swift Water.....5%
154.....Earth Seru Iota level 2.....Wisdom Water.....5%
155.....Earth Seru Iota level 3.....Life Grail.....1%
156.....Dark Seru Puera.....Magic Water.....5%
157.....Dark Seru Puera level 2.....Life Water.....5%
158.....Dark Seru Puera level 3.....Crimson Book.....3%
159.....Thunder Seru Gilium.....Power Water.....5%
160.....Thunder Seru Gilium level 2.....Guardian Water.....5%
161.....Thunder Seru Gilium level 3.....Wonder Elixir.....5%
162.....Gi Delilas.....Swift Water.....30%
163.....Che Delilas.....Wisdom Water.....30%
164.....Lu Delilas..... Magic Water.....30%
165.....Gaza.....Life Water.....30%
166.....Gaza.....Power Water.....30%
167.....Lapis.....Miracle Water.....1%
168.....Rouge.....Guardian Water.....30%
169.....Zora.....Swift Water.....30%
170.....Jette.....Wisdom Water.....30%
171.....Caruban level 2.....Wonder Elixir.....1%
172.....Caruban level 3.....Wonder Elixir.....1%
173.....Berserker level 2.....Wonder Elixir.....1%
174.....Berserker level 3.....Wonder Elixir.....1%
175.....Tetsu.....Miracle Water.....30%
176.....Evil Bat.....Healing Berry.....30%
177.....Evil Bat.....Healing Berry.....30%
178.....Evil Bat.....Healing Berry.....30%
179.....Songi.....Magic Water.....30%
180.....Cort.....Wonder Elixir.....30%
181.....Evil Sim-Seru Cort.....Evil Medallion.....100%
182.....Koru.....Miracle Water.....1%
183.....Cort.....Blank.....0%
184.....Cort.....Ra-Seru Meta Lvl5.....3%
185.....Cort.....Ra-Seru Meta Lvl8.....6%
186.....Cort.....Ra-Seru Meta Lvl4.....9%
187.....???.....Ra-Seru Meta Lvl7.....6%
188.....???.....Ra-Seru Terra Lvl1.....9%
189.....???.....Ra-Seru Meta Lvl5.....3%
190.....???.....Ra-Seru Meta Lvl8.....6%
191.....???.....Blank.....9%
192.....???.....Blank.....0%
193.....???.....Blank.....0%
194.....???.....Blank.....0%
195.....???.....Blank.....0%
196.....???.....Blank.....0%
197.....???.....Blank.....0%
198.....???.....Blank.....0%
199.....???.....Blank.....0%
200.....???.....Blank.....0%

Edit: Darn forums don't like spaces or tabs :(

Re: Item Drops & Steals

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:17 am
by xTrance
5% drop for waters? About what I was guessing. Strongly discourages water farming.
I got lucky with my 2 crimson books, that's for sure. 3% is very low.

Thank you for your work meth962 :)