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[Redhollowlives999]

Both can be used, its foolish to only use critics.

[Rammerrush]

Just curious? Your saying I should use Critiques and what? Insults?

[Redhollowlives999]

Yes.

Its meaningless to just use Critics, to me insults work better. You saying that its not a good thing is very false.




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Man what kind of place you raised in?

[Lonewulf]

What ya'll be talkin bout?

[Rammerrush]

Red and Zup are arguing that Insults are more helpful than constructive criticism

[Zup]

Red and Zup are arguing that Insults are more helpful than constructive criticism

No (at least I'm not)

Aight let's just go analysis mode

Hmmm I wouldn't say I am.

That means you are, at least partly.

Theres just a difference between Constructive Criticism and hearing that your piece sucks.

Except criticism (especially on subjective topics) is not definite - it's not black and white. You can have harsh criticism in constructive criticism (in fact, you SHOULD, or else you're just Justin Bieber around the "criticism" part). They're not exclusive like that.

Like I love hearing what I can do to improve something I've written or my writing overall, but I hate hearing that something I did was wrong or stupid.

"People ask you for criticism, but they only want praise."

But see, one of the factors of criticism is that it's done by somebody else so as to avoid as much bias as possible (not to say critics are without bias, of course). You don't get to decide what type of criticism you receive, and you also don't get to decide what criticism you "deserve" and what is good or not. It's what you take from the criticism in question.

You could get absolutely slammed by a critic for every little detail, then find legit points brought up with which you use to improve. On the other hand, someone else could give you a bunch of thumbs ups and maybe a little nitpicking here or there. Problem with THAT is that you won't actually improve. They're not criticizing your writing, they're more like an editor than anything.

I'd rather they just tell me how I could improve that wrong or stupid part and make it less so.

There is some validity to this which I won't argue. However, them telling you WHAT to improve isn't the best idea, as, again, they're serving more as an editor than a critic. Also, the work should still be your own. You should be analyzing THEIR analysis to find out WHY they said what they did. Get a few different perspectives. See what common critiques are. See what the outliers are. Be smart about it.

They aren't motivators. They're put downs.

Again, it's not black and white. While there are criticisms that are "put downs," as you say, the harshness of the criticism does not immediately warrant your dismissal of it. In fact, you could very well be avoiding the best advice anyone had ever given you on the topic. It's what you TAKE from the criticism, not how it is spoken or how much it hurts your feelings.

And it's been shown time and again that harsh criticisms can provide some of the greatest motivation. Just look at all the rags-to-riches stories we have. Look at all the nerds who ended up running Fortune 500 companies. Look at SPIDER-MAN.

Just like when I say your SNSD is stupid.

Pisses you off don't it

No because idgaf what you say about them. I know they're lovely.

But that's a TERRIBLE comparison because that isn't a criticism of my creative work in any way. It provides no critique at all, and it isn't even really aimed at me.

Wanna try again?

So your saying that for example a kid picking on someone else in a school isn't a bully. He's a motivator

Again, it's not black and white like this. He can be both. In many cases, he IS both.

See he's a bully from the start. No debating that. Now, he can only be a motivator if the victim of the bullying actually TAKES something from the bullying, uses it as motivation, and then goes on to accomplish whatever he/she wants to with it. Same with criticism - you have to TAKE from it, no matter what it says or how it's worded.

But again, not the best comparison. He's punching the kid in the gut and stuffing him in lockers, not trashing his WIP novel line by line.

Do you take that as constructive criticsim and try to change that within yourself?

If you wanna be smart and resourceful about it, then yes

If you just wanna be a victim, then no

Your choice

I should hope not, since that's just one moron's opinion. And with no reasoning behind it it's useless.

And who are you to say it's a worthless opinion? You just wanna be a victim? You want that whole incident(s) with the bully to be for nothing but your physical pain and his cheap amusement?

Critiques that just say whats wrong are sub par compared to the helpfulness of criticism that helps you improve.

No criticism inherently helps you improve. None. It doesn't matter a single 野菜 bit how insightful, in depth, and reasoned a piece of criticism is if the one criticized doesn't TAKE from it. If you do absolutely nothing with it, there was no point in the first place, and you just wasted time and opportunities.

The point of a criticism is to give an opinion on a piece. They are not required to tell you three positives about your work for every bit of criticism.

They're supposed to be a critic, not your mother.


Well that was fun

[Redhollowlives999]

Well that was fun

Well you pretty much said what I wanted to, except you used actual words lol.



Well I think insults work better, but thats because I'm competitive (if I haven't already said that).


Get it now Ram?

[Zup]

I don't believe you answered my last set of questions

[Rammerrush]

ugh too many words... O.O

[Redhollowlives999]

ugh too many words... O.O

Boi shaddup I read it just fine


Why you realize the word thing is MHA THING?!!