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Re: Astral Sword

Post by Prayrius » Fri May 31, 2013 4:46 pm

Since I never look anything up, I never knew what the medallion did. So when I finally got it, I. Flipped. Out. Freaking awesome watching Noa beat dafuq out of her brother. xD
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Re: Astral Sword

Post by Zup » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:13 am

Sise-Neg wrote:I liked taking the time to beat Lapis as soon as you could go back to Mt. Dhini just for the Evil Medallion + Astral Sword. From a story perspective I like equipping those two on Vahn during the final battle because it's as if he's so pissed from what Juggernaut did that he goes berserk, and the Astral Sword being with him is like Gaza getting justice against the Mist.
This sounds awesome.

Hm...Usually I play around with the game like that. I should try that sometime.
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Re: Astral Sword

Post by xOmniCloudx » Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:50 pm

Hey everyone, here's some of my interpretations of things. Some things that I think could reasonably apply to some extent at least.

Gaza's armor and weapons are made from many NORMAL dead Seru as we know and, he could fight on par or above beings empowered by LIVING Seru that are also of a superior type. Even though they're Seru remains they would still be more powerful than any man made armor and weapons just because of the power Seru hold. But I also I don't see why his weapons and armor couldn't still grow more powerful from the mist even though they're remains. The mist makes Seru go mad AND strengthens them (if I remember correctly and we always see stronger seru in thicker mist) so the fact they're remains means there is no parasite/living will so to speak to corrupt him but, the physiology still reacts to the mist and as such grows stronger from it. It could be the reason why he is able to fight at such capacity despite his old age and being able to fight anywhere from in range to above the level people who have more powerful Seru.

I know he was one of the most capable fighters in all of Sol during the war and in his prime before the mist but he's past his prime now being in his 60s and, we know that the difference in strength between someone with a seru and someone without a seru is night and day. As shown by Songi vs Gala, the latter of whom outclasses Songi when the stakes are even but, is completely outclassed when Songi has a Seru and he doesn't even though at that point Jedo was in its basic state before it got crazy OP. I'd bring up Tetsu as well but Jedo was ridiculously OP by that point as it took the entire party to fight Songi even with their majorly powered up Ra-Seru by then.

Anyway, it would also explain how the astral sword and his armor managed to change form when Songi gave him a Sim-Seru. Non-Seru weapons and armor wouldn't do that as Saryu's attire didn't change with a Sim-Seru, just he himself. That means that the Neo Astral Sword (what it should be called as its upgraded form of Astral Slash is called Neo Astral Slash the second time you fight him plus it sounds cool) is a Sim-Seru (at least partially) and would also mean that Vahn is basically using a Sim-Seru when he uses said sword. If a normal human used that sword during the mist that sword could effect them somehow. You could even argue that Gaza was further warped by the influence of his seru armor and weapons due to the constant mist exposure while he was wearing it. He was already fragile due to the loss of his family so it would be even easier to be warped even if it couldn't actually control him (seems to be similar with Songi and Jedo though that's a different topic to argue).

You could also argue that even though they're seru remains he still runs the chance of being possessed fully during the mist anyway. Well, if you look at his artwork and rendering, you'll see that the entire thing is lined with cloth that the armor goes OVER. Meaning it's not directly touching his skin at any point which as far as I know is what a Seru needs to possess a host.
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Re: Astral Sword

Post by Redhollowlives999 » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:16 pm

xOmniCloudx wrote:Hey everyone, here's some of my interpretations of things. Some things that I think could reasonably apply to some extent at least.
Cool. Cool cool cool.
But I also I don't see why his weapons and armor couldn't still grow more powerful from the mist even thought they're remains. The mist makes Seru go mad AND strengthens them (if I remember correctly and we always see stronger seru in thicker mist) so the fact they're remains means there is no parasite/living will so to speak to corrupt him but the physiology still reacts to the mist and as such grows stronger from it. It could be the reason why he is able to fight at such capacity despite his old age and being able to fight in range to above people who have more powerful Seru.
He everyone, here's some of my interpretations of things or thing I think could be possible to some extent.

Well, I can't say for certain, but first off, I'm pretty sure that his Seru armor/weapon didn't make him any stronger, but rather he crafted a strong set equipment with it (I don't know what I previously posted here and idc I was dumb back then).

And Seru do get a power boost in the Mist, yes, but it's not a continuous growth. Likewise, the Mist in the area didn't get any heavier.
I know he was the most capable fighters in all of Sol during the war and in his prime before the mist but he's past his prime now being in his 60s
This is arguable. We don't know the physiology of Gaians. For all we know, they don't leave their prime until their 90s....
we know that the difference in strength between someone with a seru and someone without a seru is night and day. As shown by Songi vs Gala, the latter of whom outclasses Songi when the stakes are even but is completely outclassed when Songi has a Seru even though at that point Jedo was in its basic state before it got crazy OP. I'd bring up Tetsu as well but Jedo was ridiculously OP by that point as it too the entire party to fight Songi by then even with their majorly powered up Ra-Seru.
That's the thing though, Gaza was always an exception. He was strong against people with or without Ra-Seru (which are stronger than regular Seru).

Before meeting him, it was always a known fact to Gaians that no one can wander into the Mist for too long and hope to survive. Gaza went into the Mist on a daily basis, and he possessed no Seru. This baffled a lot of citizens.

As far as the Seru armor, I think it's just that--he used it as a shell to protect him. Kinda like how some people kill animals to skin them so they can stay warm. He's usin' the Seru to protect him. But he's doing all the fighting on his own.

Anyway, it would also explain how the astral sword and his armor managed to change form when Songi gave him a Sim-Seru.
Also arguable. But it can easily be true. It could be as simple as welding a new one. It could be as complicated as having Juggernaut stomp it flat and have Jedo use voodoo magic to make it into its current form.
Non-Seru weapons and armor wouldn't do that as Saryu's attire didn't change with a Sim-Seru, just he himself.
Well... the Delilas family used it as well (I think), and Zora grew freakin' wings and claws.
That means that the Neo Astral Sword (what it should be called as its upgraded form of Astral Slash is called Neo Astral Slash the second time you fight him plus it sounds cool)
Agreed. Neo Astral Sword is rad.
He was already fragile due to the loss of his family so it would be even easier to be warped even if it couldn't actually control him (seems to be similar with Songi and Jedo though that's a different topic to argue).

Actually, this sounds pretty cool. It was stated somewhere that at full strength, Ra-Seru can read minds, levitate, and even control other people (but they don't use this ability)--I don't, however, know if the users can use it as well. So Songi MIGHT be able to do it as well.
You could also argue that even though they're seru remains he still runs the chance of being possessed fully during the mist anyway. Well, if you look at his artwork and rendering, you'll see that the entire thing is lined with cloth that the armor goes OVER. Meaning it's not directly touching his skin at any point which as far as I know is what a Seru needs to possess a host.
His armor is indeed rad. Maybe you can argue that, iunno.

Let's break for tacos.
it really do be like that tho

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